callistahogan | Crucifixion

As you can probably imagine, I had to do a post on this topic eventually.

As you all know--or all should know--yesterday is the day commonly associated with Jesus's resurrection, and last Friday the date commonly known as Good Friday, the day Jesus died on the cross for our sins. As such, there were apparently quite a few shows on the Bible and the events written in the Bible on the Discovery Channel last night, and I caught this show on the crucifixion.

And they were vicious.

There were apparently many ways of crucifixion during the Ancient Roman times, whether it was by the cross (which is the most universally-known form of crucifixion) or by simply running them through with a spear, sticking the spear in the ground and leaving them to die... in plain sight. The Ancient Romans were all about power and torture, and making themselves out to be the biggest bullies in the playground, to use a metaphor.

It was scary, seeing what they did. It seemed like crucifixion was purely made to prolong the process of death as long as possible, and that's exactly what it was for, according to the show I watched. It was absolutely scary, seeing them impale people through their stomachs, leaving them to bleed to death, and seeing men and even woman get scourged and then hung on a cross to die, nails driven into the hands and feet so that they could hardly even move. Not to mention the fact that they had to carry their cross beams to the crucifixion site which, more often that not, was more than a mile away from the city.

In my Christian point of view, the fact that Jesus had to go through this type of torture just makes it all the worse, not that it wasn't absolutely terrible before.

I mean, during one of the Jewish revolts in... 4 A.D., I believe, the Ancient Romans crucified over six thousand men and woman along the roads. One person is bad enough, three people is absolutely terrible, but six thousand? I don't understand why people would ever want to cause so much harm to another human being, I really don't. It's absolutely terrible.

I'm still reeling from what I saw, frankly. It was terribly bloodthirsty. I am glad that, for all intents and purposes, we've gotten out of that crucifixion stage, even though there are terrible ways to kill nowadays. I just can't believe that Jesus went through all that torture, and not because He did anything wrong, either--He was betrayed, and He died on the cross for our sins. He willingly went through all of that torture... for us. And I find it terrible that we don't recognize that sacrifice...

But I'll stop this post now, considering it's gotten fairly long winded. It just goes to show how much I can ramble on and on about a topic if it interests me enough, doesn't it?

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I did read the links. You commented on a translation, therefore so did I. And what you quote above says the word that we're arguing about translation of can go either way.

And Cain and Abel weren't present for the Fall, so how is making it so that their nature includes sin not making them suffer for their parents' sin?

And you're still evading the question of why is it right in anyone's mind for Alice to commit murder and be sentenced to death and Bob to be executed instead of Alice, whether he volunteered for it or not?

Of course this is the same God who ordered, among other things, the genocide of the Amalekites...

You know what? I'm tired of arguing with you. I have scholarship stuff and homeworks to work on, and I need to eat. For the record, I'm not stumped, I'm not admitting defeat. I'm simply tired of typing. Agreeing to disagree.

Thank you.

Beth, this *is* my LiveJournal. Debate is fine, but in small doses. When you've been at this for *five* hours, it gets tiring, especially when it's on a public journal, which means anyone can see what we're saying. I'd prefer it if we could just let this go for now. Like I said, we can pick this up later.

Just please, if the owner of this journal asks to stop, please do so, or at least take it to private messages (there are such things as private messages here, aren't there?).

So ignore the comment notifications until you're ready to resume debate.

Again, I don't see why I have to do this if this is my LJ, my posts, and my comment thread. If this was on your profile, or Eirwen's, or Tim's, then I would ignore it. But considering my post is what started it, I'd appreciate it if we could just stop debating for a few hours just until I collect myself and actually want to debate once more.

It's not your comment thread, because it's not just your comments. If you want discussion put on hold that badly, disable comments (which hides them until comments are reenabled) or freeze all the threads.

All right. If you are unwilling to stop even after I asked you several times to do so, this comment thread is closed. If we wish to debate about this, there will be another post about this topic and we can do it there. But not until then.

Beth, no offense, but... people have been debating this kind of stuff for centuries--you really think you're going to get all the answers here?

Nah, but I'll get what Heidi and Cindy and whoever else think the answers are, which is just as fun to learn.

*sigh* Okay, I'll say it.
Lay the hell off.

Okay. As a point of reference, I don't want this LJ to turn into a debate every time I post about a Christian subject--which I will probably post about a lot--but I do not mind debating, so long as we are civil with each other, which is what we were doing yesterday. I have no objections to telling Beth what I, as well as many Christians, believe, so long as it does not turn into a slagging match.

Debates are fine, flames are not, and we have been debating, so I don't mind if Beth voices her opinions.

In fact, part of the reason why I'm posting this publically is so that people can see my opinions on the matter and we can all voice our opinions in a hopefully civil way. :)

If you don't want to see the discussion, don't read the post.

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